The Roar
The Roar

DaveJ

Roar Rookie

Joined December 2017

20.5k

Views

18

Published

8.5k

Comments

Published

Comments

Great stuff Choppy. Quite a mystery how they the Windies went from such a huge cohort of great quicks for 15-20 years and then back to very ordinary lineups ever since. Actually, before Andy Roberts they’d only ever produced one really good pace attack, in the early 60s with Wes Hall and Charlie Griffiths, backed up by Garry Sobers’ swing. A friend who went to watch a couple of games in the 1995 Aus Windies series said some of the locals were very disparaging about Winston and Kenny, calling them the Benjamin sisters.

What could have been: How injuries and unfulfilled talent accelerated the end of Windies glory years

Yes, it reminded me of that innings to win the series in Wellington- he came in then at 5/80 chasing 279 and scored in v quick time with Marsh.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

It’s fine for the local comp it’s not ideal to have 8 of 11 being non locals. Maybe there should be a minimum of 5 or 6.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

Can we make it 6? Hazlewood is one of the world’s best when injury free.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

Yes, he’s batting great, and I’d agree with the first sentence and the last. But the second is a bit of a stretch. His averages for the 4 series before Sri Lanka were 31 vs India, 40 vs NZ, 27 vs the Windies and 30 vs Pakistan. Some important contributions (especially a similar series winning innings in NZ) but not enough to put him with best in the World. But hoping he will go on to even greater heights.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

Yep he was just born in Melbourne because his dad had a three year stint away from SA playing for Victoria.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

The new ICC boss from Zimbabwe is trying to get Russia back in, which will also sully the Games.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

Who’s that?

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

Don’t be a proverbial. Wasn’t his fault that Dawes made baseless accusations in public.

Sangha, Carey tons seal SA's record-breaking Shield final run chase, end 29-year drought in wild scenes

This was a pretty good pitch but a good example of how the Kookaburra balls with enhanced seam can take a lot of edges early on so long as there is grass. Doggett did bowl very well though.

Back to back Jacks as dynamic duo deliver timely tons to revive Bulls hopes of chasing down SA in Shield final

Hyderabad.

Back to back Jacks as dynamic duo deliver timely tons to revive Bulls hopes of chasing down SA in Shield final

What’s your point? There’s a difference between having 2-3 imports and having 8 as SA does. I’d forgotten Buckingham came from Victoria. For development in each state, better to have some kind of minimum who started out in first grade locally. I’d say 6. Queensland has had a few in the past but not lots at any one time. I believe Khawaja is the only one now. But I’m not a Queenslander. I’m now hoping SA wins because I like Carey and McSweeney and want Dawes to be disappointed.

Doggett delivers again to knock over Test stars as SA grab Bulls by the horns in Shield final

Not the point. What’s the minimum number of locals a Shield team should have.

Doggett delivers again to knock over Test stars as SA grab Bulls by the horns in Shield final

Saw a bit of the match yesterday when Usman was batting. I’m a huge fan, but he really looks a walking wicket at the moment against seam bowling on these kinds of wickets. French cricket to balls on off stump, guiding a nothing special short ball from Doggett to second slip. A real worry for Lords and the Ashes. But little chance of being dropped and deserves some leeway.

Not sure who to back in this one. SA is a team of 5 NSW products, 4 SA and 2 Queenslanders. Its okay up to a point for weaker states, but surely there is not a lot to gain for Australia or SA cricket have a guy like Manenti in his 30s who isn’t a great spinner, playing ahead of local products like Lloyd Pope? On the other hand, a loss for Queensland would be one in the eye for Joe Dawes after his unjustified attack on Khawaja, and other associations.

Doggett delivers again to knock over Test stars as SA grab Bulls by the horns in Shield final

Stand up? You mean you’d like him to score runs and hope none of his errors is fatal? No need to make every cricket innings a question of character.

Doggett delivers again to knock over Test stars as SA grab Bulls by the horns in Shield final

His employer is CA. They control all issues around resting and injury it seems.

'100 per cent wrong': 'Fuming' Khawaja launches back at Queensland great over criticism of Shield absence

Sure but Lyon like Ussie doesn’t play ODIs or T20Is, and little BBL. Usman has played 4 Shield matches this season, so it does look off if he pulls out unless it’s a significant injury. And going to F1 rather than a real sporting event seems potentially poor judgement.

'I've got a bunch of blokes who all want to play': Khawaja called out by QC over 'disappointing' decision to skip Shield for F1

5 losses. Losing isn’t a desirable outcome.

'I've got a bunch of blokes who all want to play': Khawaja called out by QC over 'disappointing' decision to skip Shield for F1

I’ll try Choppy, though I’m shaking in my boots so much it’s going to be difficult. I’m only basic on stats but standard deviation basically is a measure of how spread out the values in a range of data/results are from the average. If a value is several standard deviations from the mean/average it is a real outlier. Just 3 standard deviations covers over 99% of the results above average. Here it’s just a way of highlighting what we all know – that the Don’s average is 100 rounded up, while no one else has exceeded 61 over an extended career, and pretty much all specialist Test batsmen average 30-60 over an extended period unless they get dropped. So even if, like Bernie, you don’t think that averages don’t matter much in comparisons (which has some truth for smaller differences) it has hard to deny that the gap between Bradman and the rest is huge and very significant.

Why The Don's 99.94 is the perfect number

Great article. It’s very weird that there are people who don’t think there is something special about this number, and understands it is so far outside the normal range as to beggar belief.
9 (Nine) standard deviations better than the mean batting average of 45.3 recorded by the next best 150+ batsmen of all time. To have the same impact on the difference between team scores close a batter averaging 100, a bowler would have to take more than 30% of team wickets (most take around 25%) and have an average close to 5. Not only is comparing him to people of that era ridiculous, confining it to that era is ridiculous. He was averaging over 100 after 1945 in the same era as some great batsmen like Hutton, Harvey, Morris and Compton, and you can map the continuity to later decades. The only difference was the variety of countries they played later, although looking at the fifties the strength of opposition was arguably diluted playing more games against India, Pakistan etc, whereas Bradman played nearly 40% of his Tests in England and averaged over 100 there (the big Test is scoring away from home).

You can explain the difference between Grace and Bradman’s era by looking at the very low scores of Grace’s era thanks to difficult wickets. As well as the fact that Grace didn’t start playing Tests until he was 32. Averages in Bradman’s era were hardly different to todays, just a fraction higher, and statisticians have shown how Bradman himself accounts for that difference.

Why The Don's 99.94 is the perfect number

Whoops, that should be about 55 days in 11 months. It was just 4 Shield matches and 3 state 40 over cup matches.

Khawaja raises eyebrows after opting out of must-win Queensland Shield clash

In fact less about 55 days in the last 12 months: 7 Tests, 4 Shield, 3 50 overs and 8 T20s, including 7 for the Vancouver Knights. By comparison, Bill Lawry averaged 93 full days of cricket (no T20s) from 1961-64, playing for peanuts. Allan Border played 183 days in 1986, Mark Waugh averaged 146 days 1992-95. The highest number in recent years is about 90. So I don’t get why he would need a break if he has already played 7 Shield games this season and the final is on the line.

Khawaja raises eyebrows after opting out of must-win Queensland Shield clash

Clayton, McDermott and Pierson ( playing 9-10 matches) are the only ones who have scored more runs than Usman (playing 4).

Khawaja raises eyebrows after opting out of must-win Queensland Shield clash

Ok, but why does he need to sit it out? He doesn’t play much cricket. In fact about 65 days in the last 12 months: 7 Tests, 7 Shield and 8 T20s, including 7 for the Vancouver Knights! By comparison, Bill Lawry averaged 93 full days of cricket (no T20s) from 1961-64, playing for peanuts. Allan Border played 183 days in 1986, Mark Waugh averaged 146 days 1992-95. The highest number in recent years is about 90. So I don’t get why he would need a break if he has already played 7 Shield games this season and the final is on the line.

Khawaja raises eyebrows after opting out of must-win Queensland Shield clash

And Viv Richards (1976) and Ian Botham late 80s.

Khawaja raises eyebrows after opting out of must-win Queensland Shield clash